Manuel admits R1,2m BMW purchase was ill-advised

PARLIAMENT (Sapa) - Planning Commission Minister in the Presidency Trevor Manuel on Wednesday conceded that buying a R1.2 million BMW for his official use was not well-advised.

Manuel was asked about the car by Democratic Alliance Chief Whip Ian Davidson during question time in the National Assembly.

The DA has, over the past few weeks, highlighted the high cost of cars bought by Cabinet ministers, has called for their return and the institution of new cost-saving measures.

"That the vehicle is expensive... I concede that it is an error of judgement," Manuel told the House.

"I've run the numbers and the vehicle is now five months old. It has 6700km on the clock, and vehicles depreciate very, very, very quickly, and in the current circumstance, probably would not find a buyer and be written down a lot more quickly."

So, continuing to argue that the vehicles already bought by ministers be returned did not make economic sense, he said.

"Here is a decision that was taken within the rules [in the ministerial handbook]. I'm saying in my case it wasn't entirely well-advised, but a decision was taken, and [it's] one of those decisions that you live with.

"Finally, I'd like to say to the honourable Davidson, that if he and his party work exceedingly hard, they will move from that side of the House to this side of the House and he might actually become the inheritor of this car."

Thanking Manuel for his candid response, Davidson pointed out that Western Cape Premier Helen Zille was put into a "similar position".

She and her MECs could have gone out, according to the rules that pertained, and bought luxury vehicles.

"But she laid down right at the outset exactly what had to be done and they are all using pool cars, old cars with high mileage," Davidson said.

Responding, Manuel explained he had "walked into a place where there wasn't an establishment" when he was appointed to head a new ministry.

"We needed to buy a vehicle, within the rules a vehicle was purchased.

"So, we'd all like to be more Catholic than the Pope, and we commend the honourable Zille on having attained that status, but let's be real about this issue as well," he said.

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No self control then Submit to ones impulses for Instant gratification and then have regrets the morning after ... no surprises there - true ANC style. by Sad days on October 28 2009, 18:56 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

an honorable response Good on Manuel to make such a statement and actually recognize that the DA is making sense about wasteful expenditure. Its vital when we make mistakes, whether public figures or in our private lives, to admit it; its called humility. Says a lot about . .more the man. . .less by sirjay jonson on October 28 2009, 19:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Good riddance to an overbearing Finance Minister Sorry, but there's no humble bone in that smug, hypocrictial show-off Manuel. He only wishes he could have taken taxpayers for an even more expensive ride. What a pleasure it was listening to Pravin Gordhan, giving us sincere facts . .more without ethnic ingratiations. . .less by Observer on October 28 2009, 23:12 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What a cop out! He sounds like an evangelist minister who has has been caught out having an affair. Cry in public and everyone will forgive. The whole issue of ministers overspending on cars has been in the media for a while. I find it hard to believe he was not . .more listening to all of this. Shocking! . .less by Les on October 29 2009, 07:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

wcgreen@telkomsa.net That is why SA wil stay a third world BANANNA republic with leaders like this, no education, no sense of responsiblity, real chimps! by Appietrader on October 29 2009, 07:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Agree This is a most insincere, smug response from a minister who owes his success to looking slightly better than the rest of the snouts at the trough. by Q on October 29 2009, 07:59 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Poor taste So, is he going to return the vehicle. I suppose whilst he is ensconced in its luxuries seats, he will be able to console himself about how tough the poor must have it, heck he could even phone old Tokyo for first hand information. by Bob on October 29 2009, 08:09 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

trevor manuel Could not agree more with Observer, Good riddance to arrogant snot head Trevor.Hope , Pravin can withstand the pressure that will be brought down on him , trying to steer the economy in the right path. by aries on October 29 2009, 08:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

BMW good for SA With BMW, being one of the motor industry supporters willing to invest more in SA as the electricity risies, I think the least we could do is buy one or two of BMW's top of the range cars - Think of the jobs the give us by Supporter of the Supporters who support us on October 29 2009, 08:13 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Error of judgement??????? What rubbish.What was the error?What judgement?How can he buy this huge big car for R1.2mil and what ? not know about it.?OOps-did not mean to do it.After all the furore about the other idiot ministers. by Krazy on October 29 2009, 08:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

His replies are dripping with sarcasm and contempt He is being patronising and clearly has no real remorse. Sorry doesn't always cut the mustard Trev. Lead by example you bunch of ANC winkers. You can make you money when you leave politics and go into commerce. Don't steal our money. Unless of . .more course, you're actually not compent to make your own money in the world of commerce. That's the real world Trev. . .less by Frank on October 29 2009, 08:16 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Mistake? Aw c'mon Comrade Trevorl, surely this topic has been in the media and other public discourse platforms for months? And you "concede that it was a mistake" AND we all have to go "hear, hear, at least Comrade Trevor is above them all and has apologised"? . .more What hogwash!! This is the sort of thing that can only fool some people some of the time... It's like having unprotected sex and getting an STD, then claiming that it was a mistake....Don't you read media and aren't you aware of the cries out there? . .less by Solly M on October 29 2009, 08:19 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

So we must live with the decision Well Well. Again what they fail to realise is that just because it is within the rules does not make it right nor justify it. Manuel was the one who told us he was cutting the benefit on car allowances over a certain level as beyond that level the . .more vehicles could no longer be deemed to be useful to the company economically. He also put up the tax value on pure company cars. I think this practice would stop if these ministers paid the tax rates we all have to pay. He says he has done 6700 kms in it already. Where has he been . .less by John on October 29 2009, 08:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

@sir jay Are you too stupid to read the smug sarcasm in the last sentence? by Rob on October 29 2009, 08:22 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

An error of judgement BUT no regret, hey Trevor? But I bet my bottom dollar that the BMW still beats the ol' plumbers bakkie by Piet on October 29 2009, 08:36 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Couldn't agree more Q, you took the words right out of my mouth. If Manuel keeps putting his foot in his, he is going to lose every little shred of respect that anyone might ever have had for him. by Diana on October 29 2009, 08:39 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Ja Nee ons ry die sous trein...... Goverment must be a legal Ponzi scheme. You take from others to enrich yourself. by gd on October 29 2009, 08:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The man can.t even work out the financial implications/.... benefits of purchasing a new vehicle, how could the @rsehole ever have been the Minister of Finance? Consequently he has been just a puppet over the past 2 decades! The same applies to the majority of the ANC ministers with the exception of Pravin who has . .more set and expample to the rest, however his efforts will fall on deaf ears as the uneducated scumbags will continue loof the fiscus! . .less by Compadre on October 29 2009, 08:49 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

there was nothing sincere or apologetic in his admission I heard Manuels "admission" on the radio yesterday and it was arrogant, mocking, contemptous and patronising. He did use the words "not well advised" but they were not said in the context being reported in the media (no sorries forthcoming with any amount . .more of sincerity). Forget the fact that the DA were asking the questions. He is accountable to the citizens of this country and all he was doing was wiping his ar$e on us. . .less by Reaper on October 29 2009, 09:27 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Trevor Manual has dumb associates and . . . . . . with the majority they enjoy, they know that they can abuse the system and get away with it. They stand in judgement of people who commit far smaller mistakes, yet they pilfer to their heart's content. After all, it is only taxpayer's money, to be treated . .more with contempt. A past Minister of Finance now claims to have had no guidance to make a right decision when buying a car, yet a lady who has NEVER been in a Government Ministry, has shown him true leadership. Well done, Helen Zille. . .less by George on October 29 2009, 09:38 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Sous trein Somewhere our government (as in the rest of decrepid Africa) has gotten the idea that they are our 'leaders' who must decide on all matters for us, instead of being our representatives who execute the will of the people in such a way that all people . .more benefit, instead of one race or group. This ''leader'' delusion makes them arrogant, filled with self importance and entitlement and they 'rule' us to their own advantage while milking the system dry. There is no justification for the excesses in spending, and shows that they are not real leaders but morally corrupt parasites who feed on the system, with the protection that there are no systems in place to make them accountable to the people. It makes me sick...... . .less by Euroboy on October 29 2009, 09:41 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Extensive driving According to comments by government, these high luxury cars are needed and justified for government officials due to the amount of time they spend on the roads and the number of km they go through everyday... Woaah... 6700 km in 5 months... it is . .more less than 50Km per day(average). What a lot of km... I am sure all the people travelling between Johannesburg and Pretoria every day (as an example) would love to have R1.2m cars since this is definetely more than 50Km a day... :) . .less by Batman on October 29 2009, 09:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Stop insulting our intelligence What a joke. This squandering on luxury cars caused a national uproar long before Manuel bought his car ...a month later he goes and does exactly the same thing!! Was he sleeping while everybody was shouting and screaming about it?? The only reason he is . .more "apologising" is because he was cornered ...he is not at all sorry. How can it be an "error of judgment" after he saw the publics reaction over exactly the same thing ....is he really that thick? . .less by Airwolf on October 29 2009, 09:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Apply business principles If I lend money from bank to buy car and make mistake ... then apology does not settle the loan. PAY BACK. ALSO PAY PERKS TAX ON 3RD VEHICLE AT RIDICULOUS % YOU MADE LAW by Taxpayer on October 29 2009, 09:50 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

And this was a Minister of Finance. The man is an arrogant @rsehole and that response indicates that he does not have a moral framework that he abides by. If it was his own money he would have bought what ? Pay them a decent salary and make them buy cars with that and pay the perks taxes. by Charlie on October 29 2009, 09:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

blue bmw is so 2007 consult vogue gurus before buying trev, tsk tsk by snore on October 29 2009, 09:57 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Comrade Trevor Talk about sneering at the commendable efforts of Primier Zille. More Catholic than the Pope?, honestly is that the best he can do to describe her efforts!!? I'm very disappointed by Manuel, he's proven himself to be no better than the other . .more clowns. I'm not a fan of Hellen Zille the person, so I'm not sure I can vote DA anytime soon. But I know for sure i'm done with the ANC, at least if anything like the current crop persists. . .less by KhulGaz on October 29 2009, 10:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Actions speak louder than words... saying sorry is not enough anymore If you feel it wrong, give it back!!! Actions speak louder than words... Depreciation costs etc is a poor excuse- its only 5 months old- almost a dmo model. You could trade it in for 2 cheaper vehicles for the govt pool... Why must we continue to pay . .more taxes when it is spent on these fat cats and not on enriching the lives of the poor. . .less by Infuriated on October 29 2009, 10:11 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Why pick on Trevor Why are all the commentators picking on Trevor?......if there is one minister that actually deserves a R1.2 mil car it's Trevor. There are many ministers that you've never heard of and have been sleeping through most cabinet meetings driving similar . .more cars...rather take your frustrations out on them. This country would have been a lot further down the drain without some sanity fron Manuel Enjoy your Beemer, Trevor . .less by Pokkel on October 29 2009, 10:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Politicians and the rest of us Aspire to be a policial leader so you don't have to endure being middle class to get to upper class, so far removed from ordinary South Africans and their hardships and aaspirations. Why can politicians not also be required to budget, to use their . .more own lofty salaries to pay for a house (not state residence), a car (not gov gravy mobile), security (not army of guards), medical aid etc etc. Is it any wonder decisions that scare off the middle class are taken daily? . .less by Francois on October 29 2009, 10:18 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Not an apology at all He did not apolagise at all, it was a sarcastic bleep in parliment,.He is not sorry. This money is a waste of tax monies, why do these ministers not buy local as the government has been promoting for 20 years(Toyota or Ford, they should all drive . .more golfs until they prove otherwise), local not good enough, or just some animals are more equal than others.. . .less by Christopher on October 29 2009, 10:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

He's milked the government now all that matter for him it to drink. I heard him on the radio making a mockery remark by confessing to the Father whoever He may be to forgive him his trespasses. The tone in his voice only suggest that he doesn't care a F%#* what anybody says about the matter including the Lord. by G V V on October 29 2009, 10:33 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

No worries Trev ... I also bought one, they are nice, aren't they ? Soft leather, with summer heat coming the 4way aircon is great, i asked for an upgrade to have the ventilated seats, onbaord TV's and I went for the Li model .... just that extra legroom is great. My . .more gardender is obviously a bit upset becuase I had to reduce his salary or end his umployment, the maid is the same story and also my driver ... so now they are all having to supplement income with a bit of begging and maybe the odd theft or hijack, but I am safe .... like you I guess. Julius lives nearby, he is thinking the same as you and me ..... like he says to me with that youthful and smile of caring for the people ..... "ah, eish my friend, *&^%$# the poor ...... we have power for another few years, tjo tjo tho". Trev ... your beauty you, keep the car ... the poor will know that you earned it ... . .less by Sadsack on October 29 2009, 10:52 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Gravy train gravy plane - some are just more equal than others This bunch of clowns have their snouts so deep in the trough you can hardly see their eyes. The sad thing is that at the next election, the (poor) majority will just vote them in again. by Leburu on October 29 2009, 10:54 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

The Heading and the Article Conflict! Was he ill advised or is he taking the blame for bad judgement? I thought Manual was better than the rest! Amaising that authority and responsibility are divorced in Government, not different sides to the same coin -- as it is with the rest of us . .more mere mortals. But then understanding the true meaning of "Public-Servants" isn't taught in SA! . .less by Marcus on October 29 2009, 10:55 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Blaming the Accounting Officer To the politician that announced on CapeTalk news this morning that it is the Accounting Officer's fault as they are responsible for procuring the motor vehicles, shame on you. ANC, your ethos is disgusting. At least Trevor Manuel made a light-hearted . .more comment on the purchase of the vehicle. I think in terms of financial reporting, do the right thing and declare these amounts as 'WASTEFUL EXPENDITURE' . .less by Improper Ethos on October 29 2009, 11:03 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Manuel's apology. What a joke. His attitude was arogant and conceited. He wasn't apologising he was laughing all the way to the bank - just like all the other ANC 'snouts'. So much for his reputation. by Charles on October 29 2009, 11:05 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

They all go the same way, Viva Africa I bought a car for R 1.2 million and it has depreciated so quickly it is now worth hardly anything so I am going to keep it! Firstly to spend taxpayers money with such contempt for the poor is not suprising for Africans and secondly to buy something that . .more depreciates so quickly shows how much business sense these people have got, nil. Thus we get the failure of South Africa progressing nicely and supported by millions of black voters who are poor hungry homeless uneducated unhealthy threatened by one of the highest crime and murder rates in the world. They are amazing. . .less by Who Cares? on October 29 2009, 11:10 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Apology? Sort of. Now keep you sarcasm to yourself and have the decency to keep your hands out of the cookie jar. by OBC on October 29 2009, 11:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

All the same I'm afraid when push comes to shove Manuel is just like the rest. The whole bunch are simply in it for personal enrichment. Other than falling asleep in meetings, what do most of the cabinet do ? by Follow your leader on October 29 2009, 11:17 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

And we thought you may be different But Trevor's just proved himself to be no different from the other pigs who swill at the proverbial trough. Shame on you. His wife's earning a nice big fat salary at Absa now surely she could have arranged him a negotiable rate on a lease . .more agreement . .less by @Manuel on October 29 2009, 11:30 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Heavy stuff So Manuel thinks that the DA will move across to occupy the government benches. Just wait till Little Willy Malema gets to hear about this. Secondly, Manuel thinks that everyone wants to more catholic than the Pope. It is my carefully . .more considered opinion that, for 125% of ANC this statement is rubbish. They are all succeeding admirably at being more sinful than satan . .less by Plutarch on October 29 2009, 11:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Manuel has just proven himself to be the supercilious clown everyone though he was. As gift of the gab Planning Minister he knew of plans to buy a new vehicle for this new Department and what the budget would be (that's if he is hand on and knows what's happening in his department that is. Being hands on never his strong point as . .more Minister of Finance although he spoke a good game.) Seems as if the attitude has been - Go ahead and buy the vehicle and I'll deal with any problems later. By then it's too late to sell it anyway. Just like the rest of the ANC snouters our Treveor - no difference at all. All under the auspices of a caring concerned Minister. More ANC bulls1t to the masses. . .less by Tom on October 29 2009, 12:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Manual's R1,200,000.00 car Not so clever, Trevor!!! by So, finally keeping up with the Jones's on October 29 2009, 13:53 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

honesty At least the man was honest in admitting his mistake. For goodness sake, when will honesty be rewarded in South Africa? But the car was expensive - i would have understood if it had bulletproof but it does not. by King Zwakala on October 29 2009, 14:47 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Tips for Trevor It's called depreciation, Trev. Thought you may have picked up such economic implications during your time as Minister, but alas we hoped for too much. Oh well, you picked up a lekker maBenz, hey my china? Screw the povos bro, onwards with da . .more gravy train. . .less by Citizen X on October 29 2009, 16:35 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Let them eat cake! Oh King Trev, you are such an arrogant plutz, you just will never get it. You reckon you screwed up? Yip, you sure did Trev. Bad judgement call. But it's ok because you were within the rules, right. Screw the peasants, the great . .more unwashed. They respect the big man here in Africa. Oh Treva, oh Treva and we thought you were so cleva. Eish. . .less by the Peasants are revolting on October 29 2009, 16:42 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Manuel's Car It was hard to hear the remorse and penitence in Mr. Manuels confession. Greed , hate speech and lust for power seem to be the real "values" in our government today. by Craig on October 29 2009, 16:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Oh, please, get over yourselves, you hypocritical White f----k--s The reason the cost of the car didn't register for Trevor is that the amount is meaningless to him. His loot is demoninated in pounds, Euro and dollars. What's the big deal to him about a car worth less than 100k Pounds? (By the way, his looting was . .more paid for, and aided and abetted by the White establishment for facilitating the primarily lisiting of Anglo, Mutual, SAB etc in London, saving Standard Bank's hide re Nedcor's hostile bid etc, etc plus plenty of other shady, White establishment conceived and assisted shenanigans) But, you've got to love the way he dealt with that whiny, White DA m----f---k--r bleating about the Zille example (White people can really be hilarious!) as if he should learn at her feet. J--s--s, you guys aren't in charge (just get a few more votes)......priceless . .less by Clueless on October 29 2009, 17:06 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

To Appie trader So Appietrader, why the hell don't you f... off from this Banana Republic of ours. You will do yourself, and most of us a favour. by George on October 29 2009, 18:48 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Of whom was it asked "Would you buy a used car from this man?" by Brian on October 29 2009, 18:51 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Massive expence PLEASE PEOPLE IF THE ANC WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE LOWER CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY THEY WOULD NOT BUY THESE CARS , THIS SHOWS THAT TREVOR IS JUST TO BE ANOTHER CAPITALIST. WHEN IS THIS EVER GOING TO STOP PLEASE MINISTERS RESPECT OUR COUNTRY IT IS GOING TO . .more THE DOGS . .less by Henry David Junior on October 29 2009, 19:04 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

BMW's Trev, youve been getting new bm's for how many years now? Just because you can! I know... you're just wishing everyone can have one....yes...then it will all sit nicely with the poorest of the poor and your leftie commie colleagues. by Shmocracy on October 29 2009, 19:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

"ill advised"? errrrrmmm, you mean stupid? Yes, I agree! THAT"S MY PHUKKEN MONEY HE"S DRIVING AROUND IN, AND IT"S LOSING VALUE EVERY DAY! SEE THAT PIECE OF DUCK GREASE HANGING OFF HIS BOTTOM LIP IN THE PHOTO ABOVE? WELL, THAT'S MY MONEY TOO! . .more AND HIS SPECTACLES? THAT'S MY TAX MONEY TOO! Do these CRETINS pay tax on these cars, or ae they exempt because they are gods or something? HUH? . .less by Munch on October 29 2009, 20:31 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

More Justice ... And less apologising and forgiving. If we want this country to work. Trevor, return the car and pay back, from your own pocket, the money lost to the state due to depreciation of your well considered but stupid purchase. And don't forget the . .more interest, Sir. The state is under a legal obligation to progressively realise the social and economic rights of its citizens. Not squander taxpayers funds on ego enhancing wheels, Sir. Check the recent Constitutional Court judgment handed down. Unless you think you are above the law? What we really should be asking is why Trevor's ego requires the affirmation of a R1.2 million vehicle? Has he got a small winkie? Is he battling to come to terms with the fact that Maria earns more than he does? Has apartheid destroyed his sense of self worth? Is V***** clouding his judgment? Or is he simply a greedy, greasy struggle hero turned politician? Please tell us, Trevor? Without the smirk on your BLACK face. . .less by De La Rey on October 29 2009, 21:08 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Small Change... When billions has been squandered on arms deals R1.2 million must seem insignificant? Or not, Trevor? by Lawyer on October 29 2009, 21:15 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

ALL BUNCH OF OPPORTUNISTS Stuff the " PEOPLE' - you people in the ANC care only about yourselves. But the " PEOPLE " deserve you .After all they want you in power- just like 50% of whites voted for apartheid. You are no better than the old NATS. Same poor /useless leaders. Shame . .more on you. I had much hope for JZ - now I know you are just another bunch of lying incompetents in my opinion and some of them have had a few lucky years which are now over but they will rape the country like typically happens in AFRICA. Viva!!! . .less by PIE IN THE SKY on October 29 2009, 22:26 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Bokkoors Die manne het almal bokkoors soos party in die jagveld - die ANC jag die belastingbetaler. Gou-gou vergeet hoe dit was. Fat cats or idiots?? by SKIETPIET on October 29 2009, 22:46 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

What the hell? What do you expect? Trev sees all the clowns around him behaving like children in a toy shop, knows that his days are numbered, and decides to dumb himself down to their level. That is, Why show restraint when he knows that in all probability he will . .more never serve in another cabinet? So Uncle trevor decided, " What the hell, if these clowns can do it, let me enjoy my twighlight years in style". My only gripe is that he has such bad taste in cars; why not a Jaguar XFX, it has much more style and is more exclusive than the very common and boring BMW. . .less by Quidditas on October 30 2009, 08:38 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

Only serves to prove one point.... All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it. - H. L. Mencken by Mthabisi on October 30 2009, 09:11 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

open your eyes. The ANC is more evil than the Afrikaaners. The Afrikaaners established apartheid to make all their people wealthy but the ANC are in power to only make a selective few wealthy. The ANC know that all their people can't become wealthy but the Afrikaaners . .more knew that only the minority few can become wealthy. The Afrikaaners gave their people hope but the ANC is giving their people false hope of a better life with the exception of a few in power, in fact the majority is worse off. When the Afrikaaners were in power those in government were not by far as extravagante as the ANC are. The ANC is an excuse for a selective few to become wealthy with the pretense of a better life for all. Their extravagant lifestyles makes the ANC more evil than the apartheid regime, the Afrikaaner did it for all their people but the ANC is doing it for a selective few, this is communism in disguise when only those at the top benefited. . .less by Political awakening. on October 30 2009, 09:21 Find this comment inappropriate? Report it

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